Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/05/Category:Politicians meeting foreign leaders by name

Category:Politicians meeting foreign leaders by name

Can we harmonize the subcategories? We have "with national leaders" (95), "with world leaders" (17) and "with foreign leaders" (5). I don't know if there's some nuance between these I'm missing. Themightyquill (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I note that we do have Category:Richard Nixon with other presidents of the United States‎ as a subcategory of Category:Richard Nixon with national leaders‎, so maybe "foreign" is not a good word to include? - Themightyquill (talk) 22:05, 15 May 2019 (UTC

I agree with a harmonization. "with national leaders" is good. Mazuritz (talk) 08:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I started moving these to "national leaders" but realized we may have a problem. What about someone like Category:Herman Van Rompuy meeting foreign leaders who was a national leader, and then the President of the European Council. Are meetings with him considered "with national leaders" even after he was no longer a national leader? - Themightyquill (talk) 14:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@A1Cafel: Before we close, do you have a solution to this issue above? -- Themightyquill (talk) 07:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the meeting of a former national leader should still be considered as a meeting of a national leader. Also, I saw another problem. Use Category:Mike Pence and Shinzō Abe as an example, Mike Pence is only the Vice President of US, so he is not the national leader of US, and we should separate "... with national leaders" and "... with foreign politicians", but this is another huge work. --A1Cafel (talk) 07:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We do have 78 "with foreign politicians" categories already but no parent category to bring them together. I think Category:Mike Pence and Shinzō Abe could go in Category:Shinzō Abe with people instead, but I'm not sure "national leaders" only means "head of state" or "head of government", does it? Isn't a VP a national leader? -- Themightyquill (talk) 21:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, only heads of state and government are considered as national leaders. Their deputies and vices are generally not considered as national leaders, although they can be foreign politicians. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]